Food Network Obsessed

Gabe Bertaccini Dishes on His Love Letter to Italy

Episode Summary

Italian chef, writer and television personality Gabe Bertaccini dishes on his experience hosting the first season of Ciao House.

Episode Notes

Italian chef, writer and television personality Gabe Bertaccini dishes on his experience hosting the first season of Ciao House. Chef Gabe compares his craft to the art of storytelling and details his mission to share the mouthwatering flavors of his culture with a broader audience. He opens up about the added pressures and purpose that he felt representing his roots through food and paints a stunning picture of the production’s backdrop, sharing which elements of the set flooded him with fond childhood memories. Gabe remembers picking vegetables from the garden with his grandmother and cooking with her for hours. He explains why the show needed to be set in Italy, how they landed on the location and the benefits of working in a food epicenter, with fresh ingredients at your fingertips. Gabe talks about the cultures that inspire Italian cooking and how he feels about the American artisanal movement unfolding in U.S. kitchens. Pivoting to the spicier side of Ciao House, he opens up about his relationship with co-host Alex Guarnaschelli on and off set, sharing why their Italian and French-trained collaboration created craveable entertainment. Finally he reveals the recipe for a well-rounded chef and how to turn food into his consumers’ favorite story.

Note: Please be advised this episode contains un-beeped curse words

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Episode Transcription

Jaymee Sire:

Hello, hello and welcome to Food Network Obsessed. This is the podcast where we dish on all things food with your favorite chefs, food influencers, and Food Network stars. I'm your host, Jaymee Sire, and today we have an Italian chef talking about the new competition show everyone is buzzing about, and what he and Alex Guarnaschelli got up to in Tuscany when the cameras were off. But before we get to our guest, I do have some exciting news to share. Food Network Obsessed has been nominated for a Webby Award. Our team is incredibly excited, but we do need your help to win, so please click into the episode description, and you will see a link to vote. Alright, back to our guest. He is a chef, writer, television personality, and the host of Ciao House. It's Gabe Bertaccini. Gabe, welcome to the podcast. Or should I say Benvenuto?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh My God. Do you, wait a second. You speak Italian now?

Jaymee Sire:

No, I don't. I looked up the pronunciation before this so I could impress you.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

This is now, this is shady. You said it too. It it's like, you know, you knew it. You knew, but Well, Bonjourno.

Jaymee Sire:

Well, I have to say I am so excited for the show. I have not been this pumped for a show in quite a while. Variety, Variety described Ciao House as Big Brother meets Under the Tuscan Sun . I am sold. What were your thoughts when you were first approached to be part of the show?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

I was like, oh my God, this is is my Eat, Pray, Love moment, . It was, it was amazing. You know, Jaymee, listen, you know, I've been living now in the States for about 19 years, and I'm 37 years old, so really half of my life I've been here in the States, all my family's back home. There is no amount of time that I can be away from Florence and Tuscany or Italy in general. That doesn't really make me feel, I will always carry with me this very Italian essence, especially my cooking, you know? So when I got approached for the show, for me, it was really much about going back to my roots, and the ability to share that with a brother audience. I mean, it was a win-win. I was so excited. And then of course I learned who my co-host was. And then I got excited and fearful.

Jaymee Sire:

Fair. 

Gabriele Bertaccini:

I was like, oh, dang. I'm like, Alex . It was a very, very good match. And this show really came out to be, I think, so beautiful. I think we didn't really understand the beauty of it until really the end at the point we knew that we had something special.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. I mean, the setting for the show is a bucket list destination for most. Yeah. But as you mentioned, it's just home for you. So I know you, you like to go back home as you mentioned a lot, but how did it feel to go back home kind of in this, this work capacity and be able to share it with so many people?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

You know, I, I think the, the responsibility for every chef, it's really to go beyond just the cooking and really understand the connection between food and the culture. And there is no better cuisine and better culture really, to understand that fully than Italian culture. So for me, going back and sharing that with the 10 chefs, and also with Alex, or with everybody in production, really, it was much more than just teaching them how to make pasta or, you know, the importance of, you know, raising healthy, you know, cows in Tuscany or whatever. It, it was much more than that. It was almost like, let me, let me explain to you that I'm not the odd one. We are all like this and there was a full country of me. You know, we are, we are just, we are just so passionate and really, you know, the Cheesemaker is not so much about the cheese, it's about the traditions that, that repre, you know, that cheesemaking represents for him. So there is really no better way to describe myself or the Italian people, or Italy as a country that really be immersed in, in that. And so this is a show, you know, cha has, could have not been done in a studio. It had to be done in the place where all of this connection and all the disconnections take place.

Jaymee Sire:

What, what are some of your favorite, especially like food memories from childhood growing up in Tuscany?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh my God. How much time, how long is this podcast for now? You know, Alex, Alex office always tells me, oh my God, here you go. Now he's gonna tell you about his great-great-grandmother and how she's connected to, you know, it's some of my favorite food memories. You know, I think I was very lucky to grow up in a region that it's really kind of the food belly of, of Italy where all these, you know, farmers and food makers, Kuno, serves kind of like come together in one very unique and small region of Italy, Tuscany, Toscana. There is a connection with the land and the connection I experienced at a very young age with my grandmother where I was eight or nine. And you know, the first memories, it's really her bringing me to what we call the art, which is a vegetable garden, right? Outside of our farmhouse where we had goats and rabbits and chickens and cows. And, you know, she would bring me around and kind of like, you know, in a very natural way, she would just basically connect me with, you know, the different seasons and the times and, you know, the weather and make me understand how important it is that connection that we have with, with our city and with our culture. So some of those best memories, really with my grandmother going through the, or picking up the tomatoes, the, you know, the zuka, the zucchini flowers, and just come back and spend an hour, two, three in the kitchen with her. Mm. And just sometimes watching her, you know, or helping her and the smells. I think as a cook, the smells always bring me back to that there are specific smells. 

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. 

Gabriele Bertaccini:

You know, of, you know, the onions cooking down or the carrots or, you know, the, the sugo, the, the sauce. Kind of like simmering. They take me back still at 37, takes me exactly back to 9 year old moments. So 10 year old moments. It's quite magical.

Jaymee Sire:

What was the first thing that you learned to cook?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Well, it's, it would be Pappa al Pomodoro, which I do, do you know Pappa al Pomodoro?

Jaymee Sire:

I mean, I know, I know Pomodoro, but yeah.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

It's a bread soup. I mean, in, in, in, in Italy, in Tuscany especially, uh, bread is seen as secret. Like you never throw a loaf of bread away. So what happens when the bread is still, you save it. We used to have like this giant bag in the closet and, you know, in the, the pantry. And she would, you know, throw the still bread in there. Usually once a week, sometimes once be two weeks, she would go in and pick up the still bread. And we have a bunch of dishes, especially in, in Florence that are made with still bread. But papa, it's so simple. It's just really a bread soup with broth and tomatoes. Often tomatoes that are too ripe to be enjoyed as they are. And so you either make a sauce or you make a soup, and then you let it simmer and, you know, you add some basil and parmigiano reggiano really like four or five ingredients, but it's complex and the flavors are complex and the ritualistic part of, of cooking Papaa al Pomodoro, it's what makes it very special. So that's probably one of the first things, you know. And we used to have this beautiful Camino, which actually in Ciao House, you see it, there is this fantastic kitchen, which of course has a range and a stove, but then there is a open, you know, fireplace. Right. Which is really where my grandmother used to cook. And when I walked into the kitchen for the first time at Ciao House, I got goosebumps. And it was just like going back to my childhood then, you know, seeing my grandmother sitting next to the, you know, to the Camino and cooking in these big copper pots where of course you would make Pappa al Pomodoro. So that was, that was a big, yeah. That would, that would be my, my memory.

Jaymee Sire:

How much did that upbringing really influence your culinary style, as you kind of grew and developed as a chef? A and how much did you deviate from it?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

You know, I have the luxury. I'm very fortunate. I live in California, and I think as far as the state goes, California is the closest, you know, region of the United States in terms of food, farming that I can think of. Yeah. When I think of Italy, you know, and so cooking, you know, what we call like California cuisine, which is very farm to table, reminds me a lot of Italian cooking. You know, you just slap an avocado on it and then you're good. . That's what the New Yorker will say.

Jaymee Sire:

. Well, I lived in California for 10 years.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh you know, you know. You know very well. That's true. No, but I, I think with me, I will always carry these essence of Mediterranean flavors, because, you know, we forget to think that Italy, it's really 95% touched by water. And then around the Mediterranean, we have influence of, you know, Spanish cuisine, Moroccan cuisine, Greek cuisine. So we have a lot of these flavors, you know, as, as go down, as you actually travel down and you go down to Sicily, you see a lot of dishes, you see cous, you see, you know, you see a lot of things that instead come from North Africa. So the influence of Italian cuisine is much more than just, you know, meatballs and spaghetti. It's really like the meean flavors that come, you know, around the peninsula of, of the Italian culture and Italy as a country. So there, I will always stick with me. I absolutely love the movement that we have been having here in the States for the last really 10 years of going back to the basic, you see a lot of young people kind of moving out of the cities and going and creating their own regenerative farms. And, you know, I have a friend there just opened, just started actually, uh, bison Ranch in Montana, and oh my gosh, you know, just like it, you know, it's just, it's stunning to me. You know, they make their own whiskey or they make their own cheese. I feel like there is a movement of American artisanal that is extremely inspired by the Italian artisan movement, which has been there for centuries. And I can only imagine, you know, a hundred years from now, 150 years from now, 200 years from now, what American cuisine would be like. And I think it would be much more like Italian cuisine where there is a connection, a personal connection to the land.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. No, I love that. I mean, when I was living in California, even though I, I actually grew up on a ranch, a cattle ranch in Montana.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh my God. Know you. What is the, what, what is this Yellowstone? I know, right? What is ? Oh my God, I'm falling in love, Jaymee. I spent, I, sorry to interrupt. I spent, I spent a month and a half in Montana. Oh, you did. You, oh, because I, I, I find the western culture so stunning, and it's really, the a to me, to me is the essence of America. And there is definitely that, just like you're saying, you know, I, I, I was raised on a ranch, you know? Yeah. And there is that very magical symbiosis between the land and, you know, the person, which reminds me a lot of where I come from.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. No, I, I love that experience I had, but also, you know, living in California and getting all the fresh produce and Yeah. Definitely reminded me of my time in Italy as well. And we're so excited to see all of those things that you just mentioned on display with this show, because it really does focus on the authentic Italian principles for the Yeah. The various challenges. Yeah. How much does it capture the essence of the region and all these things that you've been talking about?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Yeah. You know, when we decided to also with Alex, like where to do that in Tuscany in the region, we had to take in consideration that, again, there is no such a thing as, you know, Italian dishes. You know, there are a thousand different ways of making, you know, a classic. So, you know, Alex and I kind of really had to think about where to where to bring these 10 chefs, what what space, what place. Mugello, which is about 35, 40 minutes from, from the city of Florence was we decided it was going to be, it. It's really the center. And it's surrounded by the three major industries, actually four, I would say, in Tuscany, which is, you know, you get the dairy cheese area of the picori know, you know, and all the amazing cheeses of Tuscany. Then you get the meat, you know, the cuddle with the cows called kina, which are these giant white cows that they raise only in this specific area of, of Italy.

Then you have, you know, the, of course wine. So you think about San JoVE, then you have the olive oil production. So it's really like epicenter of Italian, you know, food culture. And it was very magical, not only for us, but to see these 10 chefs flying from the states and be immersed like immediately, you know, into the culture of food. And, you know, it was a, it was a culture of shock for them as well, which made it for really a really good show. I have to be honest. It was, there is a lot of, you know, to play there.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. Yeah. And, and as I understand it, you know, each challenge is accompanied by a local traditional experience, some of what you're talking about. What was it like to get involved with the local community and, and what was the reaction like around town?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Yeah. You know, it, it doesn't happen often that Food Network end up in the middle of, in the middle of nowhere, Mugello, you know, I say I was mostly interested in the reaction of the chefs. I mean, this show could have not been done in a studio because we needed that lesson, you know? We need to, for the chefs to really understand and connect with these people, you know, with the grandmother that has been making pasta for the last 60 years, you know, by hand or the mo you know, the Malay with, with the meat or the cheese monger. Like, those are lessons, those are moments, you know, that chefs cannot take with them. And then they go back to the villa and they kind of take notes to write recipes and, and they really absorb to then awfully rise to the challenge that then we, you know, Alex and I give them after. It was very exciting to see them kind of rise to the occasion and sometimes, you know, kind of disappointing us and really saying like, are you really absorbing the culture? Because this is not just a field trip because it's cute and fun. Like there is lessons here for you to kind of take in and then bring into your plate when we ask you to do. So, it was very, very exciting. Yeah.

Jaymee Sire:

What's the balance like? I mean, what do you look for when you're watching and kind of mentoring these chefs in terms of kind of taking and interpreting these traditional techniques, but also kind of incorporating it into their own style and p o v?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Mm-hmm, you know, , Alex, I would say she's the bad cop. , and I'm the good cop.

Jaymee Sire:

. I could see that.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

And we kind, and we kind of like, you know, we, we go back and forth through the show very naturally, but I have an approach to food that it's very sentimental, as you can see, just talking to me. I mean, I bring out, you know, stories of my mom or like, you know, leaving there. So for me, really, food is about emotions. And so when I'm tasting a dish, when a chef presents something for me, it's, are you paying respect to the region of the dish? But am I tasting yourself in it? Am I, is there, is there the, something that reminds me, oh, you know what, this is Gabe's dish, or this is Alex's dishes. I can eat a thousand dishes. And I'll tell you a spot, Alex's just with my eyes closed, I know exactly how her cooking is, and she's able to kind of take it and elevate it and pay respect to the region of it, but in her own way. So for me, that's what I'm looking for. Alex is French trained. You know, and, and although she's actually, she's Italian, she's like, you know what? The beans are burnt. Okay, so they're burnt. And I'm like, no, but you know, you were thinking about your mother, and I kind kinda see that , you know, you really took a nice turn here with the sage and the rosemary. I'm like, I, I'm more like, all right, tell me the story of it. Because again, food for me is very sentimental and it tells me a story. So I'm looking for that. You know, there are plenty of dishes that are great to eat, but they have no story behind it. And as chefs, we are storytellers. So give me a dish that yes, pay respect to, you know, what we have been teaching you or, or, you know, the little field trips they were taking, I want to see you in it. And that's kind of what I always look for.

Jaymee Sire:

Speaking of Alex, what was it like working with the I C A G herself?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

, do you know? This is funny, Jaymee, you probably don't even know that, but not many people do. You know why I felt, I felt very nervous at first, cuz Alex is, it's an amazing chef, actually. She's amazing. This is what Alex does, you know, I am not a competition chef. So for me, like I would, I would crumble, you know, under, under that kind of pressure. So for me to see her be like, Hey, you know, you go a still Shabbat bread, some spaghetti, a piece of chocolate, make something. I'm like, you know, I, I dunno how she comes up with this stuff. And I can see her mind, her knowledge of food, not only when she explains it and she gives feedback, but also when she cooks, you know, it's so vast. And, and her in the kitchen and on camera. It's, it's quite inspiring. So for me, really sitting next to her was a teachable moment for me. You know, those people were going, the chefs were going to do the field trips, you know, with the cheese monger. I was having my field trip with Alex next.

Jaymee Sire:

To me,

Gabriele Bertaccini:

, and I was like, teach me, teach me. You know, it's amazing. As, as chefs, like, we really, I think this is beautiful. We are all, we might be coming from different experiences, families, cultures, but at the end of the day, we speak one common language. And it doesn't matter, you know, if you are from, you know, Italy or France or America, when two chefs meet, there is immediately a, I know exactly who you are. Yeah. I know you, you know, . And, and so that's where we bonded on. Yeah.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. You mentioned the, you know, the good cop, bad cop kind of dynamic. So what perspectives did you kind of each bring to the, the judging table, do you think?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Well, you know, just like I said, for me, judging these dishes, it's, you know, I have to, sometimes I actually take, had to take a step back from the personal connection I have with the dish, right? There were certain times that I was served dishes and food by the chefs that I've been eating since I was, you know, two year old or so, I, I have a personal connection with that, but that wouldn't be fair judging. You know what I mean? Like, it's almost like if I ask you, Hey, do you like my apple pie? You're probably gonna be like, well, my mom's apple pie. It's probably the best apple pie I've ever gonna, you know, I'm ever gonna taste. Because for you, that has meaning, you know? It, it's connected to your heart, to your soul. So for me, judging Adi based on, well, my grandmother made it better, it's like a whole different, you know, dynamic. You know, Alex is dead. She is very technical, and she's French trained. I mean, you know, I'm Italian train completely different. So, so for her, it was very much about, okay, you had these ingredients, but did you cook them correctly? You know, and yes, the flavors go well together, but you know, the steak is overcooked, the duck is overcooked, I can’t serve this. You know, and overall, this is not a good dish. I, you know, I was more like, okay, I can see . Okay, okay. I can see the story, you know, that comes into, into play here. And, and I think those two points are equally important. You know, in, in any, in our industry, but in any dining experience, in any chef, again, you know, we are the bridge between the ingredient and the person that eats it. And so in between that, sure, there you have to have the skills to cook, but you also have to have the skills to then tell that story. Those two things are extremely important. And to be a well-rounded chef, you have to have both. And I think this is where really Ciao House comes into play. You are in a, in a place you're living in a, in a 1200 century, 12th century villa. Wow. So 13th century villa. And, and you are surrounded by the history of it. And you know, you feel the pressure, right? You feel the pressure when the Nonnas are looking at you , you know, and they're thinking, you can't make aph f FIA pasta without the machine, you know, let me show you. And so you feel the pressure of that, and I think that is really where Cunha comes in and also, you know, creates a little bit of drama. Yeah.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. Which I think we're all looking forward to as well. And I, you know, you mentioned this, this beautiful historic villa Yeah. And these contestants living there together. And that's definitely a, a twist for Food Network, I think. How does that change the dynamics of the show and the competition for these chefs?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Well, you know, the chefs compete in familia, so we divided them into different groups within the same familiar. I mean, I don't know if you ever had a family meeting you probably had when you were a kid, but I did. It was a big family. We were, you know, six and they're completely dysfunctional. Like, they start with, you know, good intention of be like, let's all be on the right track here. You know? But then eventually there is always one that storms off and say, I'm never gonna see you again. I'm moving out . And, you know, leaves, leaves the house. So you can imagine like at the beginning, they're like, okay, this is family, you know, we are, we are family. We have to all work together. In order to win within the familia, they have to decide amongst themselves who leaves So that's really a dynamic that it's extremely interesting. And also it plays out in terms of, you know, games. Like, how are you gonna play this game? I mean, you can play dumb until the end and then win it. Or maybe, you know, if I was playing the game, I would want the strongest co contestant, the strongest chef to leave, you know? And to get kicked out. So, you know, I would nominate that person and say, you know what? I think this person should leave because Interesting. Threatened. Yeah. So there is that element, and that's where I kind of, the big brother, you know, come sing or the survival style , because it's like, you're all living in this villa, and you begin the first episode, oh, we are all friends by episode two already. Like, you start seeing, you know, some Sabo, and they, these people are vicious. I'm like, oh my God, you guys, I mean, it's an amazing prize, but you know, you're really sick coming through. I'm like, you know, chefs can be a little tough, you right. And you know that, but it definitely plays into how they cook throughout the competition. And I have to be honest, Jaymee, Alex and I, if we had to put money down on who ended up winning the show, we would've completely lost it. Really. Like I, this was, this was somebody that we were like, I did not see this coming whatsoever. And so we actually, we, you know, we got, we got left with, you know, a very surprising ending. Okay. Even for us. Yeah.

Jaymee Sire:

Wait, no. So you, you, you talk about how they're divided into their, you know, these famils. Is it, is it the same, do they say in the same like familia the entire time? Is it change every episode? Like without obviously giving away spoilers, but, um,

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we divide the chefs in two Familiars. There are 10, 10 chefs. So there are five and five. And then Alex and I really decide which team or which Fami won. Within that, they are assigned a couple, which is, you know, the family head, right? And that person is going to pick up the next team. So that person decides who is gonna be part of the familia. So that two is very strategic. It's like, you know, it's not up to us deciding which Fami, you know, or how the com, how it's composed. It's really up to the capital. But, you know, we get to choose which Fami did the best, which one is the loser, which one is the winner. And then within the winner, we decide, okay, well I think, you know, Jaymee did the best and Jaymee’s gonna be the head of the family.

Mm. And Jaymee gets to decide now who is gonna be in her team next. Ah, and that is a very, very, you know, strategic decision. Right. Also, there is another element to it. We decided to, uh, divide the cookouts one for lunch service and one for dinner service. So, would you like dinner service so that you can see what the lunch service looks like, and then adjust? Or would you like to have the lunch service because, you know, maybe you like to go first and you don't, you know, you don't want to worry about that. So there is a lot of little things littles, that really make this show, make Ciao House very unique to Food Network and extremely addicting, to be honest, . And, and, you know, you just don't know what's gonna happen. And you kind of see playing out throughout the different episodes, you know, halfway through you start understanding, oh, okay, this chef has this strategy. And you start like, really, you know, being invested in who cook, swat, you know, who wins possibly, and so forth. Yep.

Jaymee Sire:

H how attached did you and Alex get to some of these contestants? Like, do you have, I mean, you can't say who your favorites are, but like, do you have secretly some, some favorites or people that you're kind of rooting for privately? I,

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Of course. I mean, it's, we know we had to take a step back and, and judge clearly this competition very fairly. But I think, I think we were attached to really all of them, because I think, at least for me, in every chef, you see that hunger of wanting to win and, and the vulnerability in showcasing who they are through food. And I'm telling you, it's extremely, it's a very vulnerable process. You know, chefs are artists and just like a painter decide to paint something and put it on the wall for everybody to criticize, you know, making a dish on national television and then, you know, in a, in a competition, and then let Alex and I judge it, and then every viewer will have their own, you know, it's a very, it's a very vulnerable process. And that to me is what made me, you know, get attached to them. I, I saw myself in them. You know, especially when I was younger, and this hunger of saying, this is who I am on a plate. Let me show it to you. And, you know, when the feedback was good, you know, you get, you get very excited. But when it's, when it's not good, that's really where the test comes in or comes in. You're like, okay, are you, are you gonna rise to the occasion? Or are you letting this like, you know, kind of crumble you down?

Jaymee Sire:

How emotional does it get? Especially as you get further into the competition with, you know,

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh, we go cry. We got tears, , we even got love affairs. Oh, maybe,

Jaymee Sire:

Oh,

Gabriele Bertaccini:

We even got love affair. And I'm not talking about the love affair between Alex and I, . That's very, that's very clear. But, you know, we, we got some, I mean, these people are, you know. They're in a villa, you know, it is constantly 24/7. Also, it was summer, there was a beautiful pool outside they could use. Like, you know, it's a very romantic eat, pray, love moment. And so I think in between the tears and the yelling and, you know, the sabotages, which there are plenty, a little love. It's a good Italian staple of, you know, of this show.

Jaymee Sire:

Sabotages. So there's.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh my God, you have no idea. Jaymee , I was just, I, I was so, I can't, I can't say it, but like, I am. So, I was so surprised. I was like, who, who? She did what ? I'm like, I don't, you know, and you can only pick those up, you know, you can only pick that up from the cameras. I didn't know. And then somebody, I was like, oh, no way. Wow. So there are plenty of that, you know, it gets down and dirty.

Jaymee Sire:

Coming up next, Gabe gives us the behind the scenes scoop on Food Network's, new competition show, Ciao House, and how the contestants living together sets it apart and leads to lots of drama. What about some behind the scenes stuff? Can you share? What, what did you and Alex get up to when, when the 

cameras weren't rolling?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

It was really immersive also for us. You know, when you are cooking and leaving the show, you know, really 13 hours a day, you know, you go home, you eat something, and then you know you're ready to do all over again. You know, there is, there is a very fun moment. Actually, I remember I wanted to get in the good graces of Alex. So it was July 4th, which is, you know, during the time we were shooting, and Alex was very sad that she missed July 4th in America for her was like a big, you know a big holidays. And so she was a little, you know, set. And she told me that a couple of days before July 4th. So I went to a producer and I said, okay, well listen, she's gonna be very set. So let's bring in a truck and let's have them making hot dogs, you know, and donuts, like, very America, you know, why not? So July 4th comes, and we are in the same car. We're being driven on set. And I'm so excited. I'm like a little kid, you know, Christmas, like, I can't wait for her to see, to see the hotdog truck. And so she goes in and I'm like, look, Alex, look to your left. And she's like, what's that? I was like, I brought you a hot dog cart. She's like, oh my God, you didn't. So she goes in, has this, it was the worst fucking holiday I ever, it was so fucking bad, Jaymee. It was like I was, you know, like, it, can you imagine? So she, I have a video of it. I'm gonna post it on Instagram because it's just so fucking funny. , she was so upset. And she, she looked at this, you know, this bread, these two pieces of big Shabbat, right? Who does a hotdog and a Shabbat bread who does hot Well,

Jaymee Sire:

Do they sell hotdog bones in?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

No, I don't know. Probably not. I mean, we have, you know, we should stick to fucking cheese and olive oil . I'm like, we are good with that, but like, leave the fucking hotdog alone. We had these two pieces of Shabbat bread, and they were boiling, the hotdog not even grilling it, they were boiling in it. Oh. And it was just like, you know, little raw onion. So she wasn't happy with that. The donuts, they were an absolute failure, . So I decided, I decided that I'll live, you know, next, next season we're gonna, we're gonna skip the hot cart . Uh, but we got this right. Italians do not make good hotdogs. We just don't make good bread. It's like, you know, leave the, the French, they're good at that. . Americans good with hotdogs. The Italians, let's stick to cheese and olive oil. We're good.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. You should've done like sausage and peppers or something like that, that.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh my God, it was the worst, Jaymee. So that's what we got up to. Im, I was trying to make her happy, and I didn't.

Jaymee Sire:

Ah, well, I, I feel like it's the thought that counts. Right.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

I know, I know, I know. It's, it's very true. She was actually, she was actually very, very, very grateful, let's say.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. I mean, it sounds like, obviously these chefs are, are learning a lot, you know, as they go about, about the cuisine and the history. What did you guys, what did you learn? Did you learn anything new?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

I mean, of course I did, especially for me, like, I mean, cooking is never something that, it's like going to yoga. It's not that, you know, you, you go to yoga for a, for a year, and then you're like, okay, I never have to go to yoga again. I know yoga , like, you know, it's just Right. You wish, I wish. But you know, you have to keep doing it. And every time you learn something new, every time you're able to relax your body and breathing, you know, better. And so cooking is the same thing. It's not that you go to cooking in school, you cook for a bit and you're like, okay, I know everything about pasta. I don't, you know, especially in a pantry that has so many different, you know, shades of cooking, like so many different ways of doing things, you know, it's really what we talk about at the table all the time in Italy. You know, we talk about food constantly. It's like, oh my God, you're not doing it that way. You have to do it this way. You're making this, you know, it's just that, it's, it's so connected to who you are that every time I go, I learn something new. I mean, for me, I'm, I'm a very meat and potato guy. You know, that's why I love Montana so much. . Exactly. It's like, you know, really, like, I'm like, gimme a good, you know, t-bone steak. Yeah. And, you know, some great potatoes. But, you know, for me it's very inspiring to see a butcher breaking down, you know, a big animal. Right. So coming in with this beautiful piece of T-bone and, and learning about the connective is tissue, and like how to cut it, and really the nose to tell how nothing goes to waste. Mm. That to me, is extremely inspiring and something I'm learning constantly. And I know Alex, you know, had the same, had the same reactions. I mean, she was looking at this nanas making this FOIA by hand, you know, with a rolling pin from 1250. Wow. You know, and I'm like, I'm just, it's, it was so amazing. You know, it speaks volumes about when you do something over and over and over again, you become a master in that. And so sometimes you don't even need to cook. So I just, I was so hypnotized by just looking at them and seeing how they were moving the hands or, or how they were touching the dough. And they knew exactly when it was done, how, you know, how thining they had to be. It's extremely hypnotizing.

Jaymee Sire:

Do you think that viewers at home will also be able to kind of pick up some, some tips and tricks as well?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Absolutely. Yes. And that's the beauty of the show is that we, you know, we have, we have of course the element of like, them living together, a little drama there, which is always good. And, and it's human, you know, it's human-like, then you have the competition aspect, right? So they're coming down there cooking in this kitchen, you know, it was July, it was 120 degrees with a heat wave there. And, you know, so there is the stress of like, it's hot and we are working in a kitchen that we don't know. But then you have a very aspirational side of the show, which is when we take these chefs, like we say to these field trips, right? And, and, and the viewers will go to these field, you know, on these field trips with them. And, and I think the aspirational part, the special component of just seeing, I mean, these shots are beautiful.

It was filmed beautifully when I saw it. I was like, this is just literally, this is my ere, you know, love moment. I'm like, where is Julia Roberts? I'm like, I need, I need to, I need to be with her. This was, this was like stunning. And I cannot, I really cannot wait for the viewers. I'm so damn excited. Yeah. I think, I think this is such a, an amazing and unique show for Food Network. And I hope it will just kind of start a whole new amazing trend for, of course, the Food Network, but also for shows in general cooking shows. This is really like mentorship, a little bit of competition. And then of course, it's all about the food. So it's, it's really, really beautiful to be a part of.

Jaymee Sire:

Yeah. And then of course, the, the last chef standing who has we know now is Oh yeah. Is somewhat of a surprise. But what they win is very much a life-changing grand prize. It's an immersive culinary education across Italy training with renowned Italian master chefs. What advice do you have for the winner before they embark on this very much life-changing journey?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

For me, it's about being humble, wanting to learn, you know, and, and, and just kind of leave your ideas and preconceptions back home and at home, and just come into this trip and join this trip fully, like open and willing to learn things and ways that you might not be familiar with, you know, and, and, and be willing to understand the culture of it. Because again, you know, we're not, this is not about, you know, making a sauce and, and how to make it, or, you know, and, and that's just the recipe and that's what you have to do. This is, this is more, there is more to it. There is a element of, of culture and connection and stories that it's extremely important for whoever embarks into this amazing prize to really, to really accept and, and embrace. Yeah.

Jaymee Sire:

Ah, well, we are so excited to see it all unfold on our television screens. Anything before we let you go? Anything like that? People would be shocked to find out about the filming of this show, or We pretty much covered it.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

No, we covered everything. It was 120 degrees Jaymee. It was miserable. It was the heat wave in summer in Europe. And I was like, did we just pick the three worst weeks of, of, you know, for being here? So enjoy the beauty of it, because you'll never know. It's 129 . Just enjoy. Because I had to change five shirts a day a day because I was sweating, you know, profusely. And Alex was like, do we really have to go get you a new shirt? And it was just so hot. So enjoy the beauty of TV because TV's beautiful. You look at it and you're like, oh my God, this looks so smooth. Yeah, so elegant, so nice. This is must be beautiful. It was beautiful. But there are, you know, there are parts of it that was very, very rough. And so enjoy that. Yeah.

Jaymee Sire:

So prop magic activity. Props to the hair and makeup in the wardrobe. Oh my God, department.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

It'd be amazing. It'd be amazing.

Jaymee Sire:

All right, we're gonna finish off with a little rapid fire round, and then we have one final question for you here on Food Network obsessed favorite pasta shape.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Uh, pappardelle.

Jaymee Sire:

Okay. Signature.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Wait, you say that Okay. That, no, that was a loaded. Okay. No, no, no, no. Ok. No, no,

Jaymee Sire:

I know it.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

You know. Okay.

Jaymee Sire:

No, actually that's my favorite. I mean, that's like my go-to as well. I should, I mean, I should have been more excited about it. I'm so sorry. I should have, yeah. Let's, let's, you know what, you know what, let's just start over. What's your fa what's your favorite pasta shape?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Penne. No, I'm kidding. . . Let's see how you feel about that. No, Pappardelle

Jaymee Sire:

Pappardelle. No, I love pappardelle. I love doing a meaty ragu. And I think that it goes great with that. Uh, all right. Signature dinner party dish.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh my God. It would be, it would be a chateaubriand which is a filet mignon, right? Cooked. And, but, but I do it with herbs and butter and I love to just slice it and just serve it, even a room temp. It's just delicious. It's what, in Italy, we call it roast beef, but you know, in, in French it sounds more elegant.

Jaymee Sire:

It does. It sounds like . All right. Favorite gelato flavor?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Pistachio. Which, by the way, it's pistachio not pistachio. 

Jaymee Sire:

Oh, really? 

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Say this. Okay. It's like, it's like bruschetta bruschetta. Let's just go with that. 

Jaymee Sire:

So wait, which one is it? Bruschetta or Bruschetta?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh, no, Bruschetta. It's same with pistachio. Same thing.

Jaymee Sire:

Pistachio.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Delicious.

Jaymee Sire:

I I said it wrong again. Pantry staple you always have on hand?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Uh, ‘Nduja sausage. Ooh. Oh, yeah, yeah. Which is this beautiful spicy pork and prosciutto sausage from the, so pizza.

Jaymee Sire:

Oh, you can spread it, right? 

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Yeah. Oh, you can, you can use it on anything. It's, it's basically my anchovy, you know, it's like I use it on anything. It add this umami flavor. You can use it on pizza, you can use on pasta in your sauce, you can use in anything. And it adds such a beautiful umami flavor. Fantastic. Yes.

Jaymee Sire:

I love it on pizza, for sure. Yeah. Favorite thing to do with your dogs.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh, oh, 300%. Go skiing with them. And you might be, you know, yeah. I go ski with it. Isn't it crazy?

Jaymee Sire:

With you, they go skiing.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Yeah. I actually, this is so funny. I, I bought , I bought a hardness. You put it on, and then they basically hooked, you know, you hook the dogs to the harness and then the dogs pull you, it's like CrossCountry skiing. I mean, you're not going

Jaymee Sire:

Down double.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Yeah, no, you're not going down a double black, you know, in, in Jackson Hall. But, you know, it's a, it's beautiful. I love to see my dogs in this now. I live through them. I have three beautiful Aussies. They're so important to me. Alex keeps telling me, Gabe, you need to cook. Stop posting your dogs on Instagram, . I'm like, I don't know. It became a dog account. You know, you come for the food, you stay for the dogs. . I dunno. But like, it's, it, they're so part of my life and, and I love them so much.

Jaymee Sire:

All right. Must have travel item.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Must have. Oh, oh, you know what? An iPhone charger. My, my phone is always at 10% constantly. Am I the only one? Jaymee? I never.

Jaymee Sire:

You gotta get a new phone. The new phones have longer battery.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Okay. Well, thank you. . I mean, yes. I do have to get a new phone for there. I need season two. Season two. Okay.

Jaymee Sire:

Alright, . All right, we'll, we'll manifest that for you. All right. Alright, so the, the final question, not rapid fire, we ask everybody the same question. Obviously it's different answers for everybody. What would be on the menu for your perfect food day? So we want you to take us through all of the meals of the day, breakfast, lunch, dinner, dessert, any snacks you wanna throw in, you can travel, time travel, spend as much money. Anyone can cook these for you. Living or dead. There's no rules. It's your day. We wanna hear about it.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Okay. Alright. Well, I would recap in the morning, and I am, I love eggs. I'm like, so I would do a beautiful French, for me, it would be a French scramble. Instead of bacon. I would love a little panache, crispy panache on the sides, you know, some roasted tomatoes and a beautiful piece of sourdough like that to me is just amazing. Now, that's a great breakfast. Halfway through the day, in the morning, like around 11 or 12, which for me it’s the middle of the day. By the way, , I would go for a nice coffee and pastry. I'm in New York, one of my favorite places here. It's Buvette. And I just, you know, clearly, I mean, it's so, you, you're nodding, you know,

Jaymee Sire:

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Exactly what I'm talking about. It's so delicious. I absolutely love that. Lunchtime, if I was, see, the best lunch I've ever had was with a baguette, a bunch of cheese, and an amazing natural wine. Mm. A ur in Paris, you know, outside the church. And just like overlooking the entire city that speaks volume of, you know, the, the simplicity of food. I mean, you really don't eat much. And it was also, of course, the location and the place. And, you know, everything else. But that would be my favorite, you know, and, and if I'm in New York, Central Park would be amazing as well. But I love a little picnic moment at lunchtime. And then dinner. Oh, dinner, dinner. This is difficult. I, I had this the other night, so I'm gonna say this, but I absolutely, so it would be, it would definitely be steak. But my second favorite, it would be Fried Rabbit. I went to Via Carota, which is an amazing restaurant here. And um.

Jaymee Sire:

Same owners as, uh, Buvette.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Well, yeah.

Jaymee Sire:

You know, .

Gabriele Bertaccini:

I know, I know. They, they, they still half of my stipend every month. . But Vita has an amazing fried rabbit. And it brings me back to, again, my childhood. My grandmother used to make fried rabbit all the time. I think Rabbit Knee is so underrated in the States. It's absolutely delicious. But that for me would be, you know, the perfect dinner.

Jaymee Sire:

Okay. And are you having dessert?

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Uh, I'll have dessert when I go home with a little piece of bread and some Nutella.

Jaymee Sire:

Okay. . I love it. ,

Gabriele Bertaccini:

That would be my dessert right before going to bed.

Jaymee Sire:

That’s perfect. That's perfect. Sounds like a, a perfect, very Gabe food day. .

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Yeah, it definitely, definitely will be a you got, you got me hangry Jaymee.

Jaymee Sire:

I know well, it has been an absolute delight getting to know you and chatting with Course. You Course. And again, I can't say it enough. We are so excited for the show.

Gabriele Bertaccini:

Oh you’re so sweet. Thank you, Jaymee. Thank you so much for having me on your podcast. And, and I hope the viewers will really enjoy Ciao House. It was a, it was Teter, like it was so beautiful to film. And we're very much looking forward to sharing this with all of you.

Jaymee Sire:

Uh, just two more sleeps until the premiere of Ciao House. It's coming up this Sunday, April 16th at 9:00 PM and also streaming on Discovery Plus, make sure to follow us wherever you listen to podcasts so you don't miss a thing. And if you enjoy today's episode, please rate and review. We love it when you do that. That's all for now. We'll catch you foodies next Friday.